Comments on: A Skeptic on the Side in Bali http://estbali.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/a-skeptic-on-the-side-in-bali/ Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:06:22 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Mrsexy http://estbali.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/a-skeptic-on-the-side-in-bali/#comment-60 Mrsexy Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:50:38 +0000 http://estbali.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/a-skeptic-on-the-side-in-bali/#comment-60 Great point John. Global Warming believers, which day is hotter? Day 1: High 46 degrees, Low 27 degrees. Day 2: High 47 degrees, Low 22 degrees. Great point John.

Global Warming believers, which day is hotter?

Day 1: High 46 degrees, Low 27 degrees.

Day 2: High 47 degrees, Low 22 degrees.

]]> By: John http://estbali.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/a-skeptic-on-the-side-in-bali/#comment-10 John Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:01:47 +0000 http://estbali.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/a-skeptic-on-the-side-in-bali/#comment-10 Rose in Comment #1, Do you realize that right after you complained about people who "...are rich, famous, and have no background in climate science, yet can successfully sell themselves as legitimate experts to the public." you mentioned Al Gore and his movie? Rose in Comment #1,

Do you realize that right after you complained about people who “…are rich, famous, and have no background in climate science, yet can successfully sell themselves as legitimate experts to the public.” you mentioned Al Gore and his movie?

]]> By: Shah Nawaz http://estbali.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/a-skeptic-on-the-side-in-bali/#comment-9 Shah Nawaz Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:04:34 +0000 http://estbali.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/a-skeptic-on-the-side-in-bali/#comment-9 Criticism from the Environmental Scientist is welcome but from a non environmentalist like Lord Monckton,leads us to sheer confusion. Actually the riches not only want to sell their factories products but also they try to encash the green future of their comming generations just to increase their cash balances. Betts rightly said that the conference should ignore it and go ahead. If the people like Mr.Monckton dont really believe environmental change towards worse, he is invited by to the north of Pakistan where the changes in environment occured,never witnessed by the elders to a memorable past. Did he not witness Catrina and Sonamy. Can he assure Bangladeshi not to move out of their southern part by the year2025? The IPCC must continue effectively to save the planet. Regards. Criticism from the Environmental Scientist is welcome but from a non environmentalist like Lord Monckton,leads us to sheer confusion. Actually the riches not only want to sell their factories products but also they try to encash the green future of their comming generations just to increase their cash balances. Betts rightly said that the conference should ignore it and go ahead. If the people like Mr.Monckton dont really believe environmental change towards worse, he is invited by to the north of Pakistan where the changes in environment occured,never witnessed by the elders to a memorable past. Did he not witness Catrina and Sonamy. Can he assure Bangladeshi not to move out of their southern part by the year2025? The IPCC must continue effectively to save the planet. Regards.

]]> By: Jay http://estbali.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/a-skeptic-on-the-side-in-bali/#comment-7 Jay Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:29:08 +0000 http://estbali.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/a-skeptic-on-the-side-in-bali/#comment-7 I have reviewed Monckton's "critique" of the IPCC report. He isn't simply rehashing old arguments and half truths. He is also creating a new standard of incompetence in straightforward mathmatical analyses that are far worse than other contrarians have done. Simple math mistakes and utter ignorance of the most basic concepts of climatology are added to the more clever tactics of half truths and spinning cherry-picked data. To review his work is to understand immediately why he eschews the peer-review route. I have reviewed Monckton’s “critique” of the IPCC report. He isn’t simply rehashing old arguments and half truths. He is also creating a new standard of incompetence in straightforward mathmatical analyses that are far worse than other contrarians have done. Simple math mistakes and utter ignorance of the most basic concepts of climatology are added to the more clever tactics of half truths and spinning cherry-picked data. To review his work is to understand immediately why he eschews the peer-review route.

]]> By: Tom Yulsman http://estbali.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/a-skeptic-on-the-side-in-bali/#comment-5 Tom Yulsman Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:29:27 +0000 http://estbali.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/a-skeptic-on-the-side-in-bali/#comment-5 Lord Monckton of Brenchley has annointed himself as a climate expert who knows better than hundreds of scientists who subject their work to the scrutiny of peer review. Unfortunately, there are those here in the U.S. who will pay attention to his "half truths, old data, and quotes taken out of context," as Betts put it, and conclude that there is nothing to worry about. Your blog is a good venue to cover what he has to say. But I'm glad that we've moved past the phase in regular coverage of this subject when journalists reporting on climate change were forced by their editors to find the likes of Lord Monckton of Brenchley to add "balance" — false balance, of course — to their stories. In the context of this blog, however, the story gives us a flavor of what's happening in Bali. And I appreciate it. (So tell us who's next: A Powerpoint by Rush Limbaugh perhaps? Now that would be REALLY amusing.) Lord Monckton of Brenchley has annointed himself as a climate expert who knows better than hundreds of scientists who subject their work to the scrutiny of peer review. Unfortunately, there are those here in the U.S. who will pay attention to his “half truths, old data, and quotes taken out of context,” as Betts put it, and conclude that there is nothing to worry about.

Your blog is a good venue to cover what he has to say. But I’m glad that we’ve moved past the phase in regular coverage of this subject when journalists reporting on climate change were forced by their editors to find the likes of Lord Monckton of Brenchley to add “balance” — false balance, of course — to their stories. In the context of this blog, however, the story gives us a flavor of what’s happening in Bali. And I appreciate it. (So tell us who’s next: A Powerpoint by Rush Limbaugh perhaps? Now that would be REALLY amusing.)

]]> By: Rose http://estbali.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/a-skeptic-on-the-side-in-bali/#comment-3 Rose Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:55:53 +0000 http://estbali.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/a-skeptic-on-the-side-in-bali/#comment-3 It is unfortunate that skeptics such as this person can get so much press and have so much influence, but this is human nature I think. This guy and Micheal Crichton are rich, famous, and have no background in climate science, yet can successfully sell themselves as legitimate experts to the public. Overall, I think we do need to respond continuously to these same, old "arguements" and counter claims. I am glad that Betts was there to do so. I wish I could have given you a list of non-science questions for him, such as why does he support banning Al Gore's movie? What would that accomplish? Who were the skeptic scientists present? Do they publish in peer reviewed journals in the field of climate science? It is unfortunate that skeptics such as this person can get so much press and have so much influence, but this is human nature I think. This guy and Micheal Crichton are rich, famous, and have no background in climate science, yet can successfully sell themselves as legitimate experts to the public.
Overall, I think we do need to respond continuously to these same, old “arguements” and counter claims. I am glad that Betts was there to do so.
I wish I could have given you a list of non-science questions for him, such as why does he support banning Al Gore’s movie? What would that accomplish?
Who were the skeptic scientists present? Do they publish in peer reviewed journals in the field of climate science?

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